wilson. and from new york, bernard wittman, also a democratic pollster. okay, gentlemen. this is going to be interesting. now we had the full biden on... on last night's debate. he is in your face and making facial gestures and laughing and sighing. and on tuesday, at hoff stra, the president will step forward. chris, let's start with you. given where the polls have shifted, obviously some momentum now for romney, do you believe that vice-presidential debate blunted that momentum, or is it a wash? >> it's really a wash. there is not a situation where you can -- that you can point to where a vice-presidential debate has changed anything. whether you believe ryan won, which a couple of polls, c-nbc and cbs show him winning, other polls believe biden won. i believe it's a wash. if you say that biden won, my bet is that bernard believes that -- even if you believe that, you take the most emphatic democratic win in 1988 -- didn't matter. it just doesn't matter when it gets down to it. >> bernard,